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hdewitt001's avatar
hdewitt001
Aspirant
Dec 08, 2021

MS510TXUP - POE doest not provide what is needed by Internet Access Point (Aruba 555)

Not sure if it is the same, but I have a MS510TXUP with Power Over Ethernet.

 

I am using an Aruba AP-555.

 

It needs approx 38watts to fully operate. However, when I look at the power consumption it only used 13watt, resulting in a situation where the AP is not working properly, basically in restricted mode, which is a result of not enough power. 

 

It has maybe to do with LLDP.

 

I hope someone can help me out? Thank you.

 

Where I have the following settings:

LLDP Configuraton:

    TLV Advertise Interval 30 secs

    Hold Multiplier 4

    Reinitiallizing Delay 2

    Transmit Delay 60

 

     LLDP Med Properties: 10

 

LLDP Portsettings:

  for relevant port:

      Admin status: TX and RX,

      Management IP Address: Auto advertise,

      Notification: Disable,

      Optional TLV's: Enable 

 

LLDP-Medd Port Setting:

   Port:     mg1 (=relevant port)

   LLDP-Med status: Enable

   Notification: Enable

   Transmit Optional TLV's:

        Med Capablities:  enable

        Network policy:  enable

        Extended Mdi-PSE: enable

Local information:

Autonegotiation SupportedTrueAutonegotiation EnabledTrueAutonegotiation Advertised Capabilities1000baseTFD , 100baseTXFD , 100baseTXOperational MAU TypeOther
MED Details
 
 
Capabilities SupportedMED Capabilities , Network Policy , Extended PSECurrent CapabilitiesMED Capabilities , Network Policy , Extended PSEDevice ClassNetwork Connectivity
Network Policies
 
 
Application TypeVLAN IDVLAN TypeUser PriorityDSCP
   

 

Neighbors information

 
Port Details
 
 
Local Portmg1MSAP Entry0
Basic Details
 
 
Chassis ID SubtypeMAC addressChassis IDXXXXXXPort ID SubtypeMAC addressPort IDXXXXXXPort Descriptioneth0System Name00 BasementSystem DescriptionArubaOS (MODEL: 555), Version Aruba IAPSystem CapabilitiesWLAN access point
Managed Address
 
 
Address SubTypeAddressInterface SubTypeInterface Number
   
MAC/PHY Details
 
 
Autonegotiation SupportedTrueAutonegotiation EnabledTrueAutonegotiation Advertised Capabilities1000baseTFD , 100baseTXFD , OtherOperational MAU TypeOther
MED Details
 
 
Capabilities SupportedN/ACurrent CapabilitiesN/ADevice ClassN/APoE Device TypeN/APoE Power SourceN/APoE Power PriorityN/APoE Power ValueN/AHardware RevisionN/AFirmware RevisionN/ASoftware RevisionN/ASerial NumberN/AModel NameN/AAsset IDN/A
Location Information
 
 
CivicN/ACoordinatesN/AECS ELINN/AUnknownN/A
Network Policies
 
 
Application TypeVLAN IDVLAN TypeUser PriorityDSCP
   
LLDP Unknown TLVs
 
 
TypeValue
   
 
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10 Replies

  • schumaku's avatar
    schumaku
    Guru - Experienced User

    Reads like a specific LLDP interoperability issue - Netger engineering is requested here. YeZ please.

  • Hi Sir,

     

    Few questions need your help to double confirm:
    Q1) Could we get the lldp med packets between Aruba AP-555 and MS510TXUP? it will be clear for us to confirm the negotiation between them.
    Q2) when issue happen, what's the power supply status on MS510TXUP? could we get a screen for it?

    Q3) could you provide us the firmware version, configuration file? Thanks.

     

    /Polly

    • hdewitt001's avatar
      hdewitt001
      Aspirant

      Questions 1: Could we get the lldp med packets between Aruba AP-555 and MS510TXUP? it will be clear for us to confirm the negotiation between them.

      How do I get the lldp med packets between Aruba AP-555 and MS510TXUP, visible? Where do I need to look for? 

       

      From the Aruba is see the following information:

      LLDP Power                  : Successfully negotiated at 40.0W
      Current Operational State   : No restrictions (Overridden by LLDP)
      Eth0 HW POE status          : POE BT, LLDP power: 40.0W
      Eth1 HW POE status          : NONE, LLDP power: 0.0W

      So it look like that there is a proper negotiation between the Aruba IAP 555 and the Netgear Switch POE. I see this information for both IAP's.

       

      Question 2:  when issue happen, what's the power supply status on MS510TXUP? could we get a screen for it?

      What do you mean what with power supply status?

       

      As what you can see, there are Aruba IAP 555, it only pulls 11300mW and 12100mW, in other words only approx 12w, while you would expect as it was negotiated per port 40W.

       

       

      Question 3) could you provide us the firmware version, configuration file? Thanks.

      Firmware:

       

      Configuration file attached where sensitive info is crossed out

       

      XMG6 and XMG8 are the two Aruba IAP 555, which are connected, and should have 40W of power.

       

    • hdewitt001's avatar
      hdewitt001
      Aspirant

      Questions 1: Could we get the lldp med packets between Aruba AP-555and MS510TXUP? it will be clear for us to confirm the negotiation between them.

      How do I get the lldp med packets between Aruba AP-555and MS510TXUP, visible? Where do I need to look for? 

       

      From the Aruba is see the following information:

      LLDP Power                  : Successfully negotiated at 40.0W
      Current Operational State   : No restrictions (Overridden by LLDP)
      Eth0 HW POE status          : POE BT, LLDP power: 40.0W
      Eth1 HW POE status          : NONE, LLDP power: 0.0W

      So it look like that there is a proper negotiation between the Aruba IAP 555 and the Netgear Switch POE. I see this information for both IAP's.

       

      Question 2:  when issue happen, what's the power supply status on MS510TXUP? could we get a screen for it?

      What do you mean what with power supply status?

       

      As what you can see, there are Aruba IAP 555, it only pulls 11300mW and 12100mW, in other words only approx 12w, while you would expect as it was negotiated per port 40W.

       

       

      Question 3) could you provide us the firmware version, configuration file? Thanks.

      Firmware:

      Configuration file attached where sensitive info is crossed out

       

       

      XMG6 and XMG8 are the two Aruba IAP 555, which are connected, and should have 40W of power.

    • hdewitt001's avatar
      hdewitt001
      Aspirant

      I am very sorry - but I am not able to add pictures which become visible!!!

       

      Questions 1: Could we get the lldp med packets between Aruba AP-555and MS510TXUP? it will be clear for us to confirm the negotiation between them.

      How do I get the lldp med packets between Aruba AP-555and MS510TXUP, visible? Where do I need to look for? 

       

      From the Aruba is see the following information:

      LLDP Power                  : Successfully negotiated at 40.0W
      Current Operational State   : No restrictions (Overridden by LLDP)
      Eth0 HW POE status          : POE BT, LLDP power: 40.0W
      Eth1 HW POE status          : NONE, LLDP power: 0.0W

      So it look like that there is a proper negotiation between the Aruba IAP 555 and the Netgear Switch POE. I see this information for both IAP's.

       

      Question 2:  when issue happen, what's the power supply status on MS510TXUP? could we get a screen for it?

      What do you mean what with power supply status?



       

      As what you can see, there are Aruba IAP 555, it only pulls 11300mW and 12100mW, in other words only approx 12w, while you would expect as it was negotiated per port 40W.

       

       

      Question 3) could you provide us the firmware version, configuration file? Thanks.

      Firmware:



      Configuration file attached where sensitive info is crossed out

      XMG6 and XMG8 are the two Aruba IAP 555, which are connected, and should have 40W of power.

      • schumaku's avatar
        schumaku
        Guru - Experienced User

        hdewitt001 wrote:

        I am very sorry - but I am not able to add pictures which become visible!!!

        You can, and did it right - the point is that in-line images are subject to manual validation and moderator approval. 

  • WilsonS's avatar
    WilsonS
    NETGEAR Expert

    Hi hdewitt001 

    From the Aruba is see the following information:

    LLDP Power                  : Successfully negotiated at 40.0W
    Current Operational State   : No restrictions (Overridden by LLDP)
    Eth0 HW POE status          : POE BT, LLDP power: 40.0W
    Eth1 HW POE status          : NONE, LLDP power: 0.0W

    I think the Aruba AP is getting necessary power from MS510TXUP without issue.

     

    Power negotiation is one thing. However, actual AP's power consumption is another thing. For example, when only few packets go through the AP, the AP will comsume less power.  Could you have maximum loading (maximum traffic throughput) to the AP's 5G and 2.4G bands? Will it increase AP's power consumption?

     

    • hdewitt001's avatar
      hdewitt001
      Aspirant

      Not really. I have tried different settings, with two or three radio's on. 

       

      It feels like, that when it notices power, it gets to a minumum mode, and that is 13 watt. While it needs more, but is not asking more, as the AP doesn't ask anymore.

       

      I strongly believe it has to do the LLDP connection, that the Netgear POE isn't able to communicate well with the Aruba. I asked Aruba, and they told me that there no settings I can configure or so, as it should communicate that it needs class 5, and 40w. As you can also see from the pictures I added to my post. 

      The router by the way, is a Ubiquiti UniFi Dream Machine, which has also a lot of settings. Not sure if that can impact the info that is shared between the Aruba IAP and the Netgear POE switch.

       

      Thank you for your questions.

      • WilsonS's avatar
        WilsonS
        NETGEAR Expert

        Hi hdewitt001 

         

        From the Aruba is see the following information:

        LLDP Power                  : Successfully negotiated at 40.0W
        Current Operational State   : No restrictions (Overridden by LLDP)
        Eth0 HW POE status          : POE BT, LLDP power: 40.0W
        Eth1 HW POE status          : NONE, LLDP power: 0.0W

        The Aruba AP has done LLDP communication with MS510TXUP and successfully negotiated at 40W. MS510TXUP cannot push 40W into AP forcedly. The AP pulls the power from PoE switch based on the AP's actual power consumption.

        1, Could you ask Aruba why the AP only consumes around 13W when LLDP result is show as abvoe?

         

        2, Could you ask Aruba how the AP can consumes more power and even to 40W? 

         

        3, Turnning on radios is not equivalent maximum load. Could you add maximum load to all radio bands at the same time to see whether AP's power consumption gets increased (ex: testing it with iPerf on multiple PCs) ?

         

         

         

         

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