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Which disk format to use when adding

Rucyj35
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Which disk format to use when adding

I have a NAS 102 populated with two drives, RAID1, now running out of space.

I've added a further external drive via USB port.

The System sees it, but reports the message:  System: External storage device is connected but the file system is not recognized.

I checked on my PC it was standard Win11 formatted, and accessible. Since it does not come up as potential capacity, I can't use the NAS format function. Suggestions please.  

 

Many thanks.

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StephenB
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@Rucyj35 wrote:

Yes, that's what I thought.  However, although it was set to sync and GMT, the time was well out. I assumed it was syncing to an American server, so I disabled it and entered the time manually.


You can configure 0.pool.ntp.org and 1.pool.ntp.org.  That should give you a local server.

 

Entering the time manually is generally good enough, but it needs to be re-done periodically because the internal clock will drift.  Also you need to recheck it after a power disruption.

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StephenB
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Re: Which disk format to use when adding


@Rucyj35 wrote:

I have a NAS 102 populated with two drives, RAID1, now running out of space.

 


The best strategy is to purchase two NAS-purposed drives (for ex. Seagate Ironwolf), end expand the RAID-1 array.  If you do this, don't purchase WD Reds - they are SMR (shingled magnetic recording).  WD Red Plus are ok.

 


@Rucyj35 wrote:

 

I checked on my PC it was standard Win11 formatted, 

 


NTFS?  Or FAT32????

 


@Rucyj35 wrote:

 

The System sees it, but reports the message:  System: External storage device is connected but the file system is not recognized.

 


Use the Windows Disk Manager to see if there is a second partition on the disk.  (The disk manager calls them "volumes").  If there is, then remove all the partitions using the disk manager.  Then reformat it as NTFS in Windows.

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Rucyj35
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Excellent, thanks.  I now see the external drive, but it's just an external USB drive, and not being automatically added to the existing Volumes.  When I go into the settings wheel for the drive, I'm offered options to eject it, or format it: EXT 3/4, NTFS (which it already is), and BTRFS.

What's my action here please?

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Rucyj35
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Also I have found a log entry:  System: NTP is disabled

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StephenB
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@Rucyj35 wrote:

Excellent, thanks.  I now see the external drive, but it's just an external USB drive, and not being automatically added to the existing Volumes.  When I go into the settings wheel for the drive, I'm offered options to eject it, or format it: EXT 3/4, NTFS (which it already is), and BTRFS.

What's my action here please?


Try formatting it as NTFS.

 

It won't be added to the RAID array, but you will be able to create shares on it.

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StephenB
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@Rucyj35 wrote:

Also I have found a log entry:  System: NTP is disabled


NTP sets the time and keeps the clock in sync.  Clock the time settings wheel on the system page, and check the box next to "synchronize clock with an internet server" to enable it.

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Rucyj35
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Ref NTP, thanks, I can account for that now.

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Rucyj35
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Thanks.

 

That would, I think, be disappointing, as all the documentation says the RAID will automatically absorb any added storage. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the implications. What I had intended was to make more space available to the existing RAID so that it could continue to service my backups without needing reconfiguration.

 

For example in the Software Manual it says:  'With X-RAID, you can start out with one hard disk, add a second disk for data protection, and add more disks for additional storage capacity. X-RAID accommodates the new disks automatically. You can replace existing disks with larger-capacity disks and X-RAID automatically accommodates the new disks'.

 

How could I make the additional space available to my backup system?

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StephenB
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@Rucyj35 wrote:

 

That would, I think, be disappointing, as all the documentation says the RAID will automatically absorb any added storage.

 External disks aren't added to RAID.  That is a really bad idea, since any USB disconnection would result in an out-of-sync array.  USB disks are also often SMR (shingled magnetic recording) - which is a technology that is not well suited to RAID.

 

That said, you can still create shares on the external disk, and move some of your data to it.  The share list you see in Windows and other software doesn't include the volume name, so there is no distinction as far as file access goes. 

 


@Rucyj35 wrote:

 

How could I make the additional space available to my backup system?


I already gave you the best way - which is to get two larger internal disks (Seagate Ironwolf or WD Red Plus), and expand the RAID-1 array.  You'd hot-swap the first, wait for the sync to complete, and then hot-swap the second. 

 

Can you tell us what your "backup system" is?  Are you talking about Time Machine (Mac), an iSCSI LUN, or backing up to share(s)?

 

 

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StephenB
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@Rucyj35 wrote:

Ref NTP, thanks, I can account for that now.


FWIW, I recommend enabling internet time sync, as there are good reasons to have correct timestamps on your files.

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Rucyj35
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 External disks aren't added to RAID.  That is a really bad idea, since any USB disconnection would result in an out-of-sync array.  USB disks are also often SMR (shingled magnetic recording) - which is a technology that is not well suited to RAID.   OK, understood; however, that is very much not the message from the manuals, so they are extremely misleading.

 

That said, you can still create shares on the external disk, and move some of your data to it.  The share list you see in Windows and other software doesn't include the volume name, so there is no distinction as far as file access goes. OK, I might have to go that way and change the destination of the backup, keeping the existing position as an interim hold.

 

I already gave you the best way - which is to get two larger internal disks (Seagate Ironwolf or WD Red Plus), and expand the RAID-1 array.  You'd hot-swap the first, wait for the sync to complete, and then hot-swap the second.  Unfortunately I already acquired the new USB drive, so I'll need to consider my strategy.

 

Can you tell us what your "backup system" is?  Are you talking about Time Machine (Mac), an iSCSI LUN, or backing up to share(s)?  Commercial backup to a Share on the NAS.

 

Thanks for your help.  Any other thought welcome.

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Rucyj35
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Yes, that's what I thought.  However, although it was set to sync and GMT, the time was well out. I assumed it was syncing to an American server, so I disabled it and entered the time manually.

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StephenB
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@Rucyj35 wrote:

Yes, that's what I thought.  However, although it was set to sync and GMT, the time was well out. I assumed it was syncing to an American server, so I disabled it and entered the time manually.


You can configure 0.pool.ntp.org and 1.pool.ntp.org.  That should give you a local server.

 

Entering the time manually is generally good enough, but it needs to be re-done periodically because the internal clock will drift.  Also you need to recheck it after a power disruption.

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StephenB
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@Rucyj35 wrote:

I might have to go that way and change the destination of the backup, keeping the existing position as an interim hold.

 


Do you have other shares?  Another path might be to move them to the USB drive.

 

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Rucyj35
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Thanks for the thought. I'll look at that as an option.
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