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6TB drives that's SIX TeraBytes!
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2013-11-05
08:51 AM
2013-11-05
08:51 AM
6TB drives that's SIX TeraBytes!
Any news on whether ReadyNAS models can cope with 6TB drives?
I am not asking or expecting NetGear to have tested and certified such drives as yet, this is more to establish whether any ReadyNAS models can cope with such large capacity drives.
See http://www.hgst.com/hard-drives/enterpr ... rastar-he6
Specific relevant models would appear to be HUS726060ALA640 and HUS726060ALA641
The former Hitachi Data Systems now HGST and part of Western-Digital have launched their 6TB drives as above and their supposedly available now.
I am not asking or expecting NetGear to have tested and certified such drives as yet, this is more to establish whether any ReadyNAS models can cope with such large capacity drives.
See http://www.hgst.com/hard-drives/enterpr ... rastar-he6
Specific relevant models would appear to be HUS726060ALA640 and HUS726060ALA641
The former Hitachi Data Systems now HGST and part of Western-Digital have launched their 6TB drives as above and their supposedly available now.
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2013-11-05
03:15 PM
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Re: 6TB drives that's SIX TeraBytes!
6TB drives will be supported by all the current generation ReadyNAS products. The only caveat is some models may reach a volume limit which means you will need to utilize multiple volumes (which is supported by all ReadyNAS products).
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2013-11-05
03:38 PM
2013-11-05
03:38 PM
Re: 6TB drives that's SIX TeraBytes!
Of course with high capacity drives resyncs will take longer. So you do have an increased risk of encountering multiple disk failures.
I think a 316/516 (desktop) or 3220/4220 (rackmount) using RAID-6 would be a good way to go. With RAID-6 if any two disks fail data remains intact.
I think a 316/516 (desktop) or 3220/4220 (rackmount) using RAID-6 would be a good way to go. With RAID-6 if any two disks fail data remains intact.
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2013-11-05
04:41 PM
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04:41 PM
Re: 6TB drives that's SIX TeraBytes!
If you haven't seen them already, these articles are interesting:
Robin Harris, 2007: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/storage/why-raid-5-stops-working-in-2009/162
Robin Harris, 2010: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/storage/why-raid-6-stops-working-in-2019/805
Darren McBride, 2012: http://www.high-rely.com/hr_66/blog/why-raid-5-stops-working-in-2009-not/
Robin Harris, 2013: http://www.zdnet.com/has-raid5-stopped-working-7000019939/
[Edit: And now I see that the 2007 article has already been discussed here: http://www.readynas.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=22390]
Robin Harris, 2007: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/storage/why-raid-5-stops-working-in-2009/162
Robin Harris, 2010: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/storage/why-raid-6-stops-working-in-2019/805
Darren McBride, 2012: http://www.high-rely.com/hr_66/blog/why-raid-5-stops-working-in-2009-not/
Robin Harris, 2013: http://www.zdnet.com/has-raid5-stopped-working-7000019939/
[Edit: And now I see that the 2007 article has already been discussed here: http://www.readynas.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=22390]
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2013-11-06
02:22 AM
2013-11-06
02:22 AM
Re: 6TB drives that's SIX TeraBytes!
All the math in these articles assume the drives don't exceed the URE specs on their datasheets. That is perhaps questionable - some drives are far worse than their datasheets, others seem to outperform. I am also not convinced that an unrecoverable read error is a random event (which is also tacitly assumed by the statistics). I expect a healthy drive to have no UREs, and the UREs begin to happen as the drive fails.
If you read these forums, you will see many cases where disk errors occur during RAID recovery - requiring users to recover data from backup, or attempt to clone drives to conceal the errors. Personally I continue to use RAID-5 on my Pro, and maintain full multiple backups of the data.
The decision to go with single/dual redundancy should based on the need to keep the data available during disk replacement (or the convenience of avoiding recovery from backup as much as possible). Dual redundancy fails much less often, but you still need backups even with RAID-6.
If you read these forums, you will see many cases where disk errors occur during RAID recovery - requiring users to recover data from backup, or attempt to clone drives to conceal the errors. Personally I continue to use RAID-5 on my Pro, and maintain full multiple backups of the data.
The decision to go with single/dual redundancy should based on the need to keep the data available during disk replacement (or the convenience of avoiding recovery from backup as much as possible). Dual redundancy fails much less often, but you still need backups even with RAID-6.
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2013-11-11
06:00 AM
2013-11-11
06:00 AM
Re: 6TB drives that's SIX TeraBytes!
JabbaTheHutt wrote: 6TB drives will be supported by all the current generation ReadyNAS products. The only caveat is some models may reach a volume limit which means you will need to utilize multiple volumes (which is supported by all ReadyNAS products).
Which models will hit the volume limit? I have a ReadyNAS Pro Business Edition. I currently have 6x2TB created originally as 6x2TB with ext4 compatible firmware when I did this. Can it grow to 6x6TB without having to factory reset?
On a related topic, I have a support ticket open and still not answered regarding how much the new OS6 models can grow. Can for example a 3220 grow from 12x2TB to 12x4TB or even 12x6TB without needing a factory reset. (I am wondering if the new BTFRS allows unlimited growth.)
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2013-11-11
06:07 AM
2013-11-11
06:07 AM
Re: 6TB drives that's SIX TeraBytes!
If you are running RAIDiator 4.2.x you can't expand past 16TB and can't expand by more than 8TB though you can do a factory default with the disks in place.
In ReadyNAS OS BTRFS should support practically "unlimited" expansion for the foreseeable future.
In ReadyNAS OS BTRFS should support practically "unlimited" expansion for the foreseeable future.
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2013-11-12
07:37 AM
2013-11-12
07:37 AM
Re: 6TB drives that's SIX TeraBytes!
Heh, 'memoryforless' has them for $1673.23 (after a 30% Fall savings discount), that would be over $10,000.00 to fill a six bay model.
http://www.memory4less.com/m4l_itemdetail.aspx?itemid=1473738681&partno=HUS726060ALA641&rid=90&origi...
Sign me up! 🙂
http://www.memory4less.com/m4l_itemdetail.aspx?itemid=1473738681&partno=HUS726060ALA641&rid=90&origi...
Sign me up! 🙂
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2014-10-06
01:41 PM
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01:41 PM
Re: 6TB drives that's SIX TeraBytes!
I have added 3 6TB drives to my readynas ultra 6, alongside 3 older 5tb drives. X-Raid2. I have not gotten it to expand beyond using 5TB (well, 4653GB) each, but it recognizes the larger drives.
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2014-10-06
02:14 PM
2014-10-06
02:14 PM
Re: 6TB drives that's SIX TeraBytes!
Well a few reboots may be needed before the NAS attempts expansion though you would hit the 16TB limit so there likely wouldn't be expansion anyway.
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