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MrCyberdude
Apr 15, 2010Tutor
2TB WD20EARS HCL Advanced Format 4k Sectors TLER LCC WDidle3
EDIT: This thread was written before the Readynas group had recognized and addressed the WD Advanced Format HDD's. An issue that remains to this day is the massive LCC(Load Cycle Count) increases due to the original HDD Firmware.
I believe the end of year 2012 WD Red drives address most of the issues that plagued the WD20EARS and WD20EARX but I have not confirmed this.
The LLC (Load Cycle Count) for a majority of my drives has now approached 3Million. Yes Three Million.
There appears to be a New WD20EARS-00MVWB0 which has 3 Platters. As yet untested. http://forums.vr-zone.com/hardware-aren ... etter.html
WDidle3_1_05.zip info works with WD20EARS HDD's viewtopic.php?p=233472#p233472
WD20eaRs HDD's 4KB Alignment issues appears to be FIXED with firmware 4.2.12-T9 viewtopic.php?p=238394#p238394
The SPARC 4KB Fixed Alignment firmware version is looking to be done by July 2010 as mentioned here. viewtopic.php?p=242472#p242472
2TB WD20EARS HCL, Advanced Format 4k Sectors, TLER(Time Limited Error Recovery), LCC(Load_Cycle_Count) info
After reading a fair bit online about the new WD Caviar Green/GP HDD's by WD such as the WD20EARS and their newish 4k sector size,
I am left wondering if the ReadyNAS firmware(existing or Beta) has been updated for this new HDD Sector design?
Could one of the JEDI or anyone else please comment on the following information?
Sorry for what appears like a jumble of information following but its hard to know where to start,
when all i really want is for it to be on the HCL as it is the only WD HDD commonly available here in Melbourne Australia.
This is a very good clear explaination about the 4096B Sector size that replace the historical 512B size
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2888
Western Digital Advanced Format What WD have to say which is not very helpful when it comes to linux.
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/advancedformat/index.asp
I have read that TLER is enabled on the WD20EARS. Can anyone here confirm(x seconds) as info is conflicting?
Also the old HDD utilities for spinup and TLER are no longer supported by WD for the EARS drives.
Knowledge Base WD Caviar Green / GP
http://support.wdc.com/product/kb.asp?g ... 08&lang=en
From what I have read do not use the 7-8 Jumper for XP compatibility mode due to more than single partition issue.
Jumper Settings WD20EARS
http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg ... ed=#jumper
ReadyNAS related Fix? Is this already implemented?
Linux Fix according to WD knowledge base
http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg ... faqid=5357
Problem: The Load/Unload counter for S.M.A.R.T Attribute 193 continues to increase under some distributions of the Linux Operating system.
Any Links I have missed please add, especially form here.
I believe the end of year 2012 WD Red drives address most of the issues that plagued the WD20EARS and WD20EARX but I have not confirmed this.
The LLC (Load Cycle Count) for a majority of my drives has now approached 3Million. Yes Three Million.
There appears to be a New WD20EARS-00MVWB0 which has 3 Platters. As yet untested. http://forums.vr-zone.com/hardware-aren ... etter.html
WDidle3_1_05.zip info works with WD20EARS HDD's viewtopic.php?p=233472#p233472
WD20eaRs HDD's 4KB Alignment issues appears to be FIXED with firmware 4.2.12-T9 viewtopic.php?p=238394#p238394
The SPARC 4KB Fixed Alignment firmware version is looking to be done by July 2010 as mentioned here. viewtopic.php?p=242472#p242472
2TB WD20EARS HCL, Advanced Format 4k Sectors, TLER(Time Limited Error Recovery), LCC(Load_Cycle_Count) info
After reading a fair bit online about the new WD Caviar Green/GP HDD's by WD such as the WD20EARS and their newish 4k sector size,
I am left wondering if the ReadyNAS firmware(existing or Beta) has been updated for this new HDD Sector design?
Could one of the JEDI or anyone else please comment on the following information?
Sorry for what appears like a jumble of information following but its hard to know where to start,
when all i really want is for it to be on the HCL as it is the only WD HDD commonly available here in Melbourne Australia.
This is a very good clear explaination about the 4096B Sector size that replace the historical 512B size
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2888
With the emulation of 512B sectors, there’s the risk that a partition could be misaligned compared to the 4K physical sectors - where it would be unwittingly started in the middle of such a sector. As a result, the clusters of a file system on that partition would end up straddling 4K sectors, which would cause performance problems.
In order to solve the misalignment issue, Western Digital is offering two solutions. The first solution for correcting misaligned partitions is specifically geared towards Win 5.x, and that is an option on the drive itself to use an offset. Through the jumpering of pins 7 and 8 on an Advanced Format drive, the drive controller will use a +1 offset, resolving Win 5.xx’s insistence on starting the first partition at LBA 63 by actually starting it at LBA 64, an aligned position. This is exactly the kind of crude hack it sounds like since it means the operating system is no longer writing to the sector it thinks its writing to, but it’s simple to activate and effective in solving the issue so long as only a single partition is being used. If multiple partitions are being used, then this offset cannot be used as it can negatively impact the later partitions. The offset can also not be removed without repartitioning the drive, as the removal of the offset would break the partition table.
Western Digital Advanced Format What WD have to say which is not very helpful when it comes to linux.
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/advancedformat/index.asp
I have read that TLER is enabled on the WD20EARS. Can anyone here confirm(x seconds) as info is conflicting?
Also the old HDD utilities for spinup and TLER are no longer supported by WD for the EARS drives.
Knowledge Base WD Caviar Green / GP
http://support.wdc.com/product/kb.asp?g ... 08&lang=en
From what I have read do not use the 7-8 Jumper for XP compatibility mode due to more than single partition issue.
Jumper Settings WD20EARS
http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg ... ed=#jumper
ReadyNAS related Fix? Is this already implemented?
Linux Fix according to WD knowledge base
http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg ... faqid=5357
Problem: The Load/Unload counter for S.M.A.R.T Attribute 193 continues to increase under some distributions of the Linux Operating system.
Affected Models: WD20EADS, WD20EARS, WD15EADS, WD15EARS, WD10EADS, WD10EARS, WD8000AARS, WD7500AADS, WD7500AARS, WD6400AADS, WD6400AARS, WD5000AADS, WD5000AARS
some implementations of Linux, for example, are not optimized for low power storage devices and can cause our drives to wake up at a higher rate than normal.
Solution:
The number of systems using such applications and utilities is limited and customers can resolve this symptom by optimizing their systems with the following three options depending on requirements.
Do not wake up the drives unnecessarily every 10 to 30 seconds or so, thereby gaining substantial power savings and eliminating excess activity. Increasing logging to every 2 minutes would result in 525,600 minutes per year or 262,800 cycles per year. Increase to 5 minutes and cycles would not even be a factor.
a. Linux users: Decrease the logging message
i. Examine your /etc/syslog.conf file for unnecessary logging activity and to optimize its performance. If you don't want to log any system activity, consider disabling syslogd and klogd entirely; or, at the very least, minimize the amount of logging your system performs. You can also prefix each entry with the minus sign (-) to omit syncing the file after each log entry. This will log anything with a priority of info or higher, but lower than warning, to /var/log/messages or /var/log/mail without needing to sync to disk after each write. Since we want to keep all messages with a priority of warning, this will be logged to a different file without disabling disk syncing (to prevent data loss in the event of a system crash).
*.warning /var/log/syslog
*.info;*.!warning;mail.none -/var/log/messages
mail.info;mail.!warning -/var/log/mailii. Another item to be aware of is the -- MARK -- messages that syslogd(8) writes. This will affect your hard drive inactivity settings. You can simply disable this by running syslogd(8) with:
if [ -x /usr/sbin/syslogd -a -x /usr/sbin/klogd ]; then
# '-m 0' disabled 'MARK' messages
/usr/sbin/syslogd -m 0
sleep 1
# '-c 3' displays errors on console
# '-x' turns off broken EIP translation
/usr/sbin/klogd -c 3 -x
fi
b. Modify OS power management timers in control panel
Disable Advanced power management using standard ATA command (Uses more power as turns off all low power modes but results in no load/unload cycles)
Linux users add following (hdparm -B 255 /dev/sdX where X is your hard drive device)
ATA users can disable APM usually controlled via BIOS and/or OS.ATA users can disable APM usually controlled via BIOS and/or OS.
Set Idle3 to max time (effectively turns off load/unload power saving feature thus will use more power) per below link
Any Links I have missed please add, especially form here.
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- emonkiaAspirantI would not expect the WD 2.0 TB drives to be able to keep up with the Velociraptors, it is the cargo van vs. a sports car.
We chose the Velociraptors specifically for their low latency, as this NAS runs SQL databases via iSCSI. Surprisingly, the Pro with 6 of these drives via iSCSI is (much) faster than a directly attached Dell PowerVault with 12x 73 GB 10k SCSI drives running off 2 channels on a Perc III RAID controller.
Your system was also slower than the other reports, as it seems the test should take about 6 minutes to run. Since you had 2 GB tests, it should have even been faster (mine was 8 GB test). The 4k sector boundary offset issue would definitely hurt here, but I would only expect about 4 times as long. This problem reminds me of the shoe shining problem slower systems have with fast tape drives.
The weird thing is a contiguous multi-sector write should not incur the penalty nearly as bad, as they should queue up in the drive then get commited. There might be something else at work here causing your troubles. And from what you have mentioned, I would never run a 4k sector drive in a ext4 array unless every drive was a 4k sector drive. The changes in ext4 work well with 4k sectors, but a mix would likely cause nothing but bad performance, or fault intolerance at worst. :shock:
My suggestion would be to replace the two WD drives in your setup (you had 2 of them, and 4 Seagates?). I've had many problems with the Seagate 1.5 TB drives in the past, but hopefully a year+ later they have worked those out. - Here is the bad news...
20.5 MB/s to NAS
67.7 MB/s from NAS
Installed are 6 identical Hard Drives Model: WDC WD20EARS-00S8B1 Firmware: 80.00A80 Serial: WD-WCAVY258?x?x?
I also have 2 spares still in foil. - Breaking News. http://www.readynas.com/?p=3690
Technical Bulletin: ReadyNAS and WD hard disks with 4K sectors
Recently, Western Digital has started releasing hard disks utilizing 4K sectors, and other disk manufacturers will be doing the same in the near future. The ReadyNAS will work with these 4K sector drives, however, we will not put these drives in the compatibility list due to the fact that partitions on the ReadyNAS are not 4K sector aligned, and thus write performance can suffer because of that.
Rest assure that we are in the process of adding proper support for the 4K sector drives and will release firmware updates for all of our ReadyNAS systems to address this.
However, because changes like this requires proper level of testing, we will take as long as necessary to ensure your data is not compromised.
In the meantime, please note that WD has released the 4K sector drives under the same base models as the 512-byte sector drives. For instance, the WD20EADS drive are available in both 512-byte and 4K sectors. You will need to look carefully at the notes in the compatibility list where we specifically state the full model number, include the suffix after the dash “-”. In the case of WD20EADS, we will put in the notes that the model that passed qual is WD20EADS-00R6B0. This is the 512-byte model. Whenever a suffix note is mentioned, refrain from using drives with a different suffix. We advise that if you cannot verify the suffix from the disk retailer, either avoid purchasing the drive(s) from there or ensure that the retailer has a quick return or exchange policy. - emonkiaAspirantThe good news, if you could call it that, about this problem is that the fix for a 4k sector size is likely very close or identical (coding) to get 16k or 32k sector sizes, which a lot of SSD drives use. Once the file system is configured and aligned for the SSD's true sector block size, those drives will start to really scream.
This could easily lead to the next generation of ReadyNAS based on 2.5" SATA/SAS drives running off of SAS controller(s).
So, it might be your pain will lead to great things. Keep up the good fight.
Being upside down, you might not have heard what Nancy Reagan said in the 80's:This is your brain: :o
This is your brain on mis-aligned sectors: :shock: - Found This http://community.wdc.com/t5/Desktop/Green-Caviar-High-Load-Cycle-Cout-after-short-operation-time/m-p/18192/highlight/true#M1113
WDIDLE3 http://support.wdc.com/product/download.asp?groupid=609&sid=113&lang=en refers to the WD ToolWD Community Manager wrote: Bill_S Posts: 896 Registered: 11-24-2009
Re: Green Caviar: High Load Cycle Count after short operation time Options 04-08-2010 04:03 PM
Sorry, but our agent didn't know that this policy was just changed.
Current WDIDLE3 works with the RE and GP drives listed below.
RE Drives - WD1000FYPS-01ZKB0, WD7500AYPS-01ZKB0, WD7501AYPS-01ZKB0
GP Drives - WD20EADS, WD20EARS, WD15EADS, WD15EARS, WD10EADS, WD10EARS, WD8000AARS, WD7500AADS, WD7500AARS, WD6400AADS, WD6400AARS, WD5000AADS, WD5000AARS
RE2GP Idle Mode Update Utility
File Name: wdidle3_1_05.zip
File Size: 170 KB
Version: N/A
Publish Date: 4/2010
http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=3263
http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=5357
============================WDIDLE3 [/S[<Timer>]] [/D] [/R] [/?]
where:
/S[<Timer>] Set timer, units in seconds. Default=8.0 (8.0 seconds).
Resolution is 0.1 seconds from 0.1 to 12.7 seconds.
Resolution is 30 seconds from 30 seconds to 300000 seconds.
Note, times between 12.8 and 30 seconds will be set to 30 seconds.
/D Disable timer.
/R Report current timer.
/? This help info. - It looks as if 4.2.12:T9 Firmware for x86 should align the 4KB sectors. I'm in the middle of re-syncing each HDD.
Another really good article on 4KB sector
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-4kb-sector-disks/index.html
Write performance penalty for using unaligned partitionsAligning RAID partitions
Redundant array of independent disks (RAID) levels 5 and 6 have alignment issues similar to those of Advanced Format drives, but the causes relate to the size of data stripes used to create the array, typically 16KB to 256KB. When using RAID arrays, you should align partitions on multiples of the stripe size. The default alignment on 2048 sectors (1024KB) that is emerging as a new standard works well with all common RAID stripe sizes.
Published test results indicate a performance penalty of about 5-30% for improper alignment, which is much less than the penalty for improperly aligning an Advanced Format drive. When creating a RAID array from Advanced Format disks, you don't need to take any extra steps. Because the RAID alignment values are multiples of the 4096-byte alignment required by Advanced Format drives, both technologies' needs are met if you align partitions as for a RAID array of disks with 512-byte physical sectors.
Version 1.96 ------Sequential Output------ --Sequential Input- --Random-
-Per Chr- --Block-- -Rewrite- -Per Chr- --Block-- --Seeks--
Machine Size K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP /sec %CP
ReadyNasPro 8G 745 88 127790 22 82582 22 1477 98 213548 34 484.9 12
Latency 9936us 593ms 267ms 32760us 137ms 102ms
------Sequential Create------ --------Random Create--------
-Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- -Create-- --Read--- -Delete--
files:max:min /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP
ReadyNasPro 256 239 99 313784 99 83281 69 257 99 322636 99 649 98
Latency 458ms 376us 426us 439ms 1307us 5947us
4KB sector alignment looks to be Fixed with 4.2.12-T9.
Speed is good and the lock ups appear to have stopped, more testing to do.- Ma2TAspirantThanks for the info MrCyberdude.
I had trouble getting my WD20EARS to initialize, but after installing the latest beta software (Readynas Duo) both drives were added and expanded well.
All seems to be working, do I need to do and wdidle3 stuff?
They have been running about 20 hours, one load cycle count it 1250, the other 649.
Thanks for the help. MrCyberdude wrote:
4KB sector alignment looks to be Fixed with 4.2.12-T9.
Speed is good and the lock ups appear to have stopped, more testing to do.
As I was wondering how the Western Digital WD20EARS 2TB Hard drive would last without specifically modifying the HDD firmware as I have done in the past,
here is an update for whats happening with a sample from my ReadyNasPro.
SMART Information for Disk 6Model: WDC WD20EARS-00S8B1
Serial: WD-WCAVY2476xxx xxx=privacy
Firmware: 80.00A80
SMART Attribute
Raw Read Error Rate ------- 0
Spin Up Time -------------- 9341
Start Stop Count ---------- 48
Reallocated Sector Count -- 0
Seek Error Rate ----------- 0
Power On Hours ------------ 6586
Spin Retry Count ---------- 0
Calibration Retry Count --- 0
Power Cycle Count --------- 46
Power-Off Retract Count --- 24
Load Cycle Count ---------- 815306 *****
Temperature Celsius ------- 40
Reallocated Event Count --- 0
Current Pending Sector ---- 0
Offline Uncorrectable ----- 0
UDMA CRC Error Count ------ 0
Multi Zone Error Rate ----- 0
ATA Error Count ----------- 0
I do have some concerns over the LLC
I have been running firmware versions
RAIDiator-x86 4.2.15 since 20101218.
RAIDiator-x86 4.2.13 since 20100923.
RAIDiator-x86 4.2.12 since 20100709.
RAIDiator-x86 4.2.12-T32 since 20100625.
Before this I would have to search the logs.- nikozanAspirantI had load a new firware in to my Western Digital 2TB dont remember what model it, and is no more boot (
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