Can Seagate NAS HHD 4TB hard drives that were in a ReadyNAS 316 be used in a ReadyNAS 104 4-bay Diskless or a ReadyNAS 314 4-bay Diskless? Does it matter what order they were in? They were mixed up.Also...I moved to an isolated area in the woods. No internet access whatsoever. Can I access the 104 or 314 directly from my laptop using just the usb cord?

Not the 104, but the 314.Did you have four or less disks in the NAS?The drive order hopefully won't matter.What firmware version was on the 316?You could use a spare disk (must not be from your array) to update the firmware in the 314 then power down, remove the spare disk and migrate your disks across.The NAS is Network Attached Storage not a USB peripheral. You can make a direct-connection using an ordinary ethernet cable. You could use a switch or router without an Internet connection.

Thank you for the quick response mdgm! As always you are extremely helpful! :D Since I do have four disks does that mean I would have to rebuy a ReadyNAS 316 which I just gave to my sister :x ? I might as well use the drive I used for the upgrade for storage afterwards. I had just bought the fourth disc a few weeks ago and the ReadyNAS showed that I still have over 10GB of space. You did indicate I could use a spare disk (but not from my array) to update the firmware in the new ReadyNAS then power down, remove the spare disk and migrate your disks across. So let me try to explain what I think you instructed me to do. If I do have four disks and they are OS 6.1.9 (answering your question) I would have to get the ReadyNAS 316? Buy one more Seagate NAS HDD ST4000VN000 and insert it in the ReadyNAS by itself. Turn on the ReadyNAS 316 and let it update to OS 6.1.9. Turn it off and then insert the four hard drives with the one that is already in there which would leave me with what I had in the first place before I gave my 316 to my sister :x . I'm I right? :? And does it matter which bay the new drive is placed? I would imagine the bay on top is the first one and it could remain there after I insert the other four.The other thing you explained to me was that I can make a direct-connection using an ordinary ethernet cable. And I could use a switch or router without an Internet connection. Can I make a direct connection from the ReadyNAS to the laptop via ethernet cable without the switch or router? If I do have to use a switch or router can you explain to me what is the reason for this? Is it because the switch or router assigns the ReadyNAS and my laptop some type of ID?When I do upgrade the ReadyNAS will probably get an IP address. Will the ReadyNas' IP address cause connection problems because there is no internet connection? Does the ReadyNAS address need to be erased?And finally...You did mention that after buying the ReadyNAS it woud need to be upgraded to OS 6.1.9. The best I can do to get internet around here is get AT&T's Netgear Unite 770s Aircard. http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/171522081046?lpid=82Can I upgrade the firmware with this?Without internet how do I transfer files from the laptop to the ReadyNAS? I guess I can use a thumbstick to transfer files, right? Will ReadyNAS Remote or Dropbox be available without internet? Lord I moved to the wrong place! :roll: Thanks again mdgm! Sorry to be such a pain. I'm learning about this as I go! :wink:

That is not exactly as mdgm instructed. Once you have updated the firmware on the 316 with the extra drive in place you need to power the 316 down and remove the drive.The 316 will now be empty.Then you put it the 4 drives that you have into the 316, preferably in the same order as they were in but this may not matter.Once the drives are in ( 4 of them) then power on.If you have a router then the nas should get a dhcp assigned IP address from the router. A switch won't assign an IP address, neither will your PC if you make a direct connection. In these latter cases the nas will assign itself 192.168.168.168.To connect from your PC you'll need to assign the PC an address like 192.168.168.167 and a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 and you should be able to connect.You don't need internet access to access the nas from your PC.Upgrading firmware depends on an internet connection. You can download the firmware file manually and stick it on a USB disk to put on your PC then update the nas, but at some point you will need internet access .Do you have internet access? I have no idea about the aircard, is that a wifi card or 3G card?

Hello vandermerwe. Thank you for your interest in my problem. I understand what you said about upgrading the firmware but after the 4 drives are in and I power the NAS back on at what point can I insert the drive that I used to upgrade the system. I will be buying 1 Seagate NAS HDD ST4000VN000 (Which is identical to the other four that I have) to do the upgrade but at some point I wanted to add that one to the other four. Especially because It will be costing me close to $200.00. Will it be usable after it has helped me upgrade?After the NAS has read all the other four drives and I turn it off can I then add it in?Or should I just get a cheap drive and throw it away after it's done it's job?I don't have a router or internet access. I moved to an isolated area in the woods. No internet access whatsoever. The AT&T's Netgear Unite 770s Aircard is a Wi-Fi card. I think it picks up the signal from sattelites.Again, Thanks to mdgm and of course to you vandermerwe. You two have a nice weekend. I'll let you know if I run into any problems.

The single drive is needed to enable the nas to boot, it won't boot without a drive in it.The firmware is installed on the flash in the nas and onto the drives, so the idea here is to get the latest firmware onto the flash so that it matches the 6.1.9 that is on the 4 drives you want to put in.Once the 4 drives are in, of course you can add the new disk, you should ( must) do this while the nas is ON. The disk will be wiped and added to the array. You may get a message saying that there is data on the new disk, do you want to destroy the volume on the new disk. You can of course do this as long as it is asking to destroy data on the single new disk.That card looks like a 4g lte card that can link your 4g connection to several wifi clients. You obviously need a 4g signal and a contract , plus you need to set it up. Do you have an AT&T contract to get 4g and do you have a 4g signal?

Connect ReadyNAS directly to pc without internet?

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vandermerwe
Master
Dec 05, 2014
With regard to the subnet, you can't access the GUI , is that correct?
You can reset the network settings by doing an OS reinstall using the boot menu. I think you should read the hardware and software manuals, it will help you understand the device that you have.

http://www.downloads.netgear.com/files/ ... ct2013.pdf

http://www.downloads.netgear.com/files/ ... ct2013.pdf
StephenB
Guru - Experienced User
Dec 05, 2014
vandermerwe wrote:
With regard to the subnet, you can't access the GUI , is that correct?
He's doing a direct connect, so he will able to reach the GUI and the shares even though the subnet masks don't match - as long as he is using a 192.168.168.x address in his PC. Both the NAS and the PC understand that this address range is local, so they do not attempt to direct it to a gateway (which doesn't exist).

RAIDar discovery fails because the NAS and the PC compute different IP broadcast addresses, so they don't see each other's broadcast discovery requests. The NAS will compute 192.168.255.255 and the PC will compute 192.168.168.255.

vandermerwe wrote:
With regard to the subnet, you can't access the GUI , is that correct?

vandermerwe

Master

Dec 05, 2014

DJDOC wrote:
Hello again everyone! I'm sorry after all the questions I asked my sister gave me back my ReadyNAS316. I have connected directly to the PC via Ethernet cable and I can watch my movies through the PLEX. Now....ReadyNAS Remote or Raidar does not recognize the ReadyNAS. I think it's because my subset mask is 255.255.255.0 and the NAS's is 255.255.0.0.
I tried to go into the NAS's network settings manually with no success....

DJDOC wrote:
Hello again everyone! I'm sorry after all the questions I asked my sister gave me back my ReadyNAS316. I have connected directly to the PC via Ethernet cable and I can watch my movies through the PLEX. Now....ReadyNAS Remote or Raidar does not recognize the ReadyNAS. I think it's because my subset mask is 255.255.255.0 and the NAS's is 255.255.0.0. I tried to go into the NAS's network settings manually with no success....

DJDOC, do you mean you want to change the network settings and you can't get to the settings, that they won't change, or that you can't get to the GUI?

StephenB
Guru - Experienced User
Dec 05, 2014
ReadyNAS remote won't work unless you have internet access to the NAS.

RAIDar won't work unless you match the subnet mask. If you can't change the one in the NAS, then change the one in the PC.

vandermerwe - if the NAS is set for DHCP, and failing over to 192.168.168.168, he probably can't change the subnet mask. And there's no need, he can easily change it on the PC.
StephenB
Guru - Experienced User
Dec 05, 2014
Also, you don't really need RAIDar anyway, so there's no reason to stress over it not working right now.
Retired_Member
Dec 06, 2014
Revised 12/7/2014: I am about to have a heart attack! :shock: After almost two days I finally found out by mistake how to deal with my problem.

Well let me start off fresh and say I live in the woods. No Ethernet. Just Wi-Fi through an AT&T card. I directly connected my NAS to the PC via Ethernet cable. I entered my PC's Network Connections Area and saw three connections. One was my Wi-Fi Card connection and the other two were from the NAS which were the Leaf Networks Adapter and the Ethernet Cable itself. Hi-light and right click on the Ethernet and Leaf Networks Adapter. In the menu box that pops up you will see "Bridge Connections". Go ahead and do so. After these two connections are bridged right click on the Wi-Fi connection and the Wi-Fi connection will join and "bridge" with he other two. After about two minutes all three connections were enabled and bridged. A fourth connection appeared afterwards called "Network Bridge".

I went back into the internet and I was able to enter into my PLEX Admin page and upload metadata. I was also able to update my firmware to 6.2

If you turn off the NAS after use but leave your PC on you will ever have to go through the steps mentioned above again. You will have to de-bridge everything and start over.

I'm so happy that I can get back to watching my movies and having my NAS up to date even though I live in the woods! At least now my problem can help out someone else down the line.

My eternal thanks goes out to mdgm, vandermerwe, StephenB, and xeltros for your help. :D

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