NETGEAR WAX610 Dual-Band WiFi 6 Access Point

There really shouldn't be anything to change. It should still function without an internet connection

All a little bit vague. Please don't forget many devices on your wierelss might require valid LAN IP Subnet addresses, eg. a DHCP server (as typically avilable on a router). 

Unless you can operate a pure Dante network for your gigs, where most (but unfortunately not all) can communicate on a ZeroConf network - so automatic addressing is granted. For e.g. a mobile phione or tablet, you ideally deploy a DHCP server.

Audinate (the makers of Dante) does suggest on un-managed networks using either ZeroConfig or DHCP to reach all devices on a single LAN and subnet.

Most Android devices or even iPhones and iPad (I assume) are also supporting Zeroconfig addressing. 

At the end of the day, it depends on what magic an unspoecified App ... where master slave is more a term in AV when multiple networks are involved.

Reegards,

-Kurt

Does it actually work without internet? Is this app syncing back to a central server in the cloud? Or is it locally hosted? You've already checked it with data enabled on the phone.  Easy check is to hotspot the phone but turn off its cellular service. IF it works without data enabled, it should be locally hosted versus syncing back to the cloud 

TheGuru47 wrote:

Right now, an iPhone acting as a hotspot works perfectly. I was hoping that I could set up a wireless access point to do essentially the same thing - allow an iPad app that requires no internet connectivity to communicate with each other. 


I thought I could set up the wireless access point to do something similar. No?

A hotspot functions like a router, not like a wireless access point.  And your application does require local routing (even if it doesn't need internet connectivity).

So you could get an inexpensive router, and leave the WAN port unconnected.  Then connect the devices to the router wifi (and/or the router LAN ports) when you want to use them off-line.

If you have the equipment at home, you can test this by just disconnecting your router WAN port, and check that the apps work properly.

A hotspot functions like a router, not like a wireless access point.  And your application does require local routing (even if it doesn't need internet connectivity).

No, sorry. These simple (wireless) routers, and even less a mobile phone acting as a hotspot (yet another WAN-LAN router) don't do -any- routing withing the LAN side of things. A wireless access point is a basically a plain L2 connection, without a DHCP server for the primary LAN however. since an AP does just make a L2 conneciton, for example some Zero Conf (aka. Bonjour) network devices can talk to each other, as long as there is no filter in place restricting the internal LAN2LAN access. This is one possible approaxch for configuring Dante or AES67 networks, without any local infrastructure (like a DHCP server for example).

For LAN-Internet access, these simple routers operate on thier own LAN IP subnet, the router does a Many2One NAT address conversion, so devices from that subnet are able to reach the Internet. At the same time, there is typically (and certainly nothing on a Netgear Business AP like a WAX610 blocking any other ZeroConfig/Bonjour P2P connecitons, except the WAX6xx or WBE7xx is configured to run a local private network on an SSID, and again doing M2one NAT to the AP LAN port with it's IP address.

I do expect the same is the case on any Orbi or Nighthawk router system, on the Wirless LAN side, regredless if we talk of Mesh or simple single routers. Simple test? Configure two computrers, mobiles, or tablets not to use DHCP or a fixced IP, insted configure it for ZeroNetworking, this magic 169.254.0.0/16 IP network, where Bonjpur or similas devices can communicate without an explicit IP config. I guess that still unknonwn App TheGuru47​ does talk about does something similar, just a little bit trsrange it's aparently not a symmteric system, so requiring different settings for what makes up the "server" and the "client(s)" side.

PS. This **** quoting/citing does still not work correct sometimes in this community forum.

I should have read a little more carefully. totally space cadeted its an access point without a router function. I tend to play more on the consumer side where its router first with an access point mode. Not access point with "maybe" a router mode .

Got an old router sitting around and not an access point that you could try it with? 

schumaku wrote:

These simple (wireless) routers, and even less a mobile phone acting as a hotspot (yet another WAN-LAN router) don't do -any- routing withing the LAN side of things.

I think you might be over-thinking this.

TheGuru47​ said that when he connects using the hotspot on his phone, everything works just as he wants.  But he wants to replace the hotspot something else.  Assuming that information is correct, then a router (instead of a WAP) should also work.

The test I suggested is easy to do, so it would let him know up front if a router will do the job (or not).  If it does, then there is no reason to go crazy trying to get a WAP to work.

FWIW, I don't think the "master/slave" aspect is about the network connectivity or discovery - it is just describing a hierachical control setup used to synchronize multiple mixers.  Not the best term, lots of groups (including Linux) have switched to different terminology.  I've seen "Main/Secondary" proposed for music.

StephenB​  Nothing over-thinking here. A wireless AP on a single SSID does work for multiple WiFi devices just like an Ethernet switch - no router or even a LAN uplink is required. Same applies e.g. to the NTGR WACx5x, WAX6xx, WBE7xx models. Nothing crazy about that.

Keep in mind that -all- devices require IP addresses in the same IP subnet for talking to each other. So what works nicely on the home or business network needs to be adopted slightly for operating in a pure standlone local network.

In the AV world, there are often complete unmanaged networks in use, without any additional network infrastructure, no router, no DHCP server.

Main/Secondary comes in the play when two independant AV networks are deployed for redundacy only. In the AV world, it's not uncommon to operate two redundant networks.

Connected devices are operating in Auto Config aka. ZeroConf mode, with self-addressing, aka Bonjour in the Apple world, on the Main network, and and some pre-defined default IP subnets with static IP addresses on the devices on the secondary. 

To make your confusion complete dear StephenB​ the NTGR WAX76xx and WBE7xx are offering the ability to configure a AP local NAT mode, makling that This would make that SSID behave almost like a common consumer router LAN with a DHCP server, and doing M2one NAT to the physical AP LAN port (almost like a consumer router WAN port). No idea, if that SSID mode is really fit for operating audio, often requiring ICMP Multicast.   

TheGuru47​ Think I have covered and explained every (or at least most I can think of...) possible aspect why your WAX610 does apparently not work as you expect with the unknown iPad setlist App. Admit, you don't talk to Apple geeks here...bt I'm happy to help!  

Fun fact? We're operating exactly the same AP for supporting wireless NDI cameras (== mobile phones!) on a deidcated network, admit -with- a DHCP server on the infrastructure, because I don't want to explain uncommon user settings (like keep the connection upo "without Internet") for our amateur camera-operators in a BYOD environment.

Double check please: There is no wireless device isolation configured?

Regards,

-Kurt.

I’m under the impression that setting up the wireless access point (and devices that will connect) using static ip addresses will allow me to accomplish what I want … to use the wireless access point as a stand-alone device that will allow on-stage iPads to communicate with one another. Does that make sense if the only thing throwing a router into the mix would do is assign ip addresses?

TheGuru47 wrote:

I’m under the impression that setting up the wireless access point (and devices that will connect) using static ip addresses will allow me to accomplish what I want … to use the wireless access point as a stand-alone device that will allow on-stage iPads to communicate with one another. Does that make sense if the only thing throwing a router into the mix would do is assign ip addresses?

The idea with the router was to add in a DHCP server to the mix.  

Static addresses would work.  schumaku​ is saying there other other options - for instance Bonjour for Apple devices (more generally known as zeroconf).  I don't doubt that - I suggested a router because your initial post said you were a networking novice.  So I was aiming towards a really easy solution (and was assuming you could still exchange the WAP for a router with similar wifi performance).