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Need help selecting backup/RN features #24580559
Ok, I am having some difficulty translating RN features into function ;)
I have ReadyNAS 316 16TB RAID6 in XRAID2 mode.
I have created some shares and mapped a windows 7 drive to backup a bunch of laptop files.
But here is what I am trouble figuring out.
1. Automatic (realtime?) backup/replicate of Windows laptop directory to RN
2. Any type of backup solution for Android devices (photos, files, notes, etc)
3. Cloud storage and availability from laptop/Android/Linux variants/adhoc (from any machine by supplying proper login)
It seems when I use NG's support/FAQ/KB/etc all the 'downloads' that seem like they would be a Windows Client software simply open up Frontview :(
When I browse network devices on my Win 7 machine and select RN316, instead of opening it to shares, it launches the Frontview webpage interface. Ugh!
I do NOT want to do every bit of file management via a webpage. Not sure if this is because of OS6.2.2?
I purchased the RN300 to avoid building a Linux box from scratch and adding all the services. It will be easy, they said. It will save you frustration, they said :D
I mapped the network drive by IP Address (internal) and windows credentials for my admin account. Obviously this is problematic when outside the office with no access. I am accustomed to old-school access methods of port forwarding, static routes, credential lists, etc.
A question about RN's Cloud services. Is the RN316 providing the Cloud access directly, or via NG's servers? I purchased the RN316 so I didn't have to rely on any external company's servers for storage, security, or access.
Why? Considering recent rulings that permit ANY email stored on an email server for more than 6 months can be accessed by authorities WITHOUT A SEARCH WARRANT (!), how long will it be before the same is true of Cloud storage? Then what happens when JoeBlow has illegal stuff on his account and the server that happens to also house your data is confiscated or destroyed, or even taken offline and crawled for...who knows what. A bad path to be avoided.
Besides, having local (ethernet speeds) access to our data is important to us.
Maybe I'm being dense trying to find these solutions? I've looked at the Available Apps section, but little info is available about them and each leads again to NG's general help site, not a topic specific site.
If I need to add an app or service to my RN, no problem, I am open to recommendations. I don't mind purchasing a reasonable product, but not looking for monthly fees when my hardware and access is already paid for ;)
So somebody please help this thickheaded IT veteran.
Thanks
I have ReadyNAS 316 16TB RAID6 in XRAID2 mode.
I have created some shares and mapped a windows 7 drive to backup a bunch of laptop files.
But here is what I am trouble figuring out.
1. Automatic (realtime?) backup/replicate of Windows laptop directory to RN
2. Any type of backup solution for Android devices (photos, files, notes, etc)
3. Cloud storage and availability from laptop/Android/Linux variants/adhoc (from any machine by supplying proper login)
It seems when I use NG's support/FAQ/KB/etc all the 'downloads' that seem like they would be a Windows Client software simply open up Frontview :(
When I browse network devices on my Win 7 machine and select RN316, instead of opening it to shares, it launches the Frontview webpage interface. Ugh!
I do NOT want to do every bit of file management via a webpage. Not sure if this is because of OS6.2.2?
I purchased the RN300 to avoid building a Linux box from scratch and adding all the services. It will be easy, they said. It will save you frustration, they said :D
I mapped the network drive by IP Address (internal) and windows credentials for my admin account. Obviously this is problematic when outside the office with no access. I am accustomed to old-school access methods of port forwarding, static routes, credential lists, etc.
A question about RN's Cloud services. Is the RN316 providing the Cloud access directly, or via NG's servers? I purchased the RN316 so I didn't have to rely on any external company's servers for storage, security, or access.
Why? Considering recent rulings that permit ANY email stored on an email server for more than 6 months can be accessed by authorities WITHOUT A SEARCH WARRANT (!), how long will it be before the same is true of Cloud storage? Then what happens when JoeBlow has illegal stuff on his account and the server that happens to also house your data is confiscated or destroyed, or even taken offline and crawled for...who knows what. A bad path to be avoided.
Besides, having local (ethernet speeds) access to our data is important to us.
Maybe I'm being dense trying to find these solutions? I've looked at the Available Apps section, but little info is available about them and each leads again to NG's general help site, not a topic specific site.
If I need to add an app or service to my RN, no problem, I am open to recommendations. I don't mind purchasing a reasonable product, but not looking for monthly fees when my hardware and access is already paid for ;)
So somebody please help this thickheaded IT veteran.
Thanks
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- 1. Automatic (realtime?) backup/replicate of Windows laptop directory to RN
-You can back up windows on the NAS using its default backup job function:
http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detai ... ows-backup
2. Any type of backup solution for Android devices (photos, files, notes, etc)
-ReadyCloud app for android should be able to do this, also check readydrop.
http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detai ... 6-remotely - ReadyCloud
https://readydrop.netgear.com/login/ind ... F24A5CC5F8 - ReadyDrop
Also you might want to check this app:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... tils&hl=en - NAS Utils for ReadyNAS
3. Cloud storage and availability from laptop/Android/Linux variants/adhoc (from any machine by supplying proper login)
-There is a ReadyCloud Client app for windows
https://readycloud.netgear.com/client/index.html
It seems when I use NG's support/FAQ/KB/etc all the 'downloads' that seem like they would be a Windows Client software simply open up Frontview :(
When I browse network devices on my Win 7 machine and select RN316, instead of opening it to shares, it launches the Frontview webpage interface. Ugh!
-I think you are talking about the Raidar software here, raidar is used to monitor the NAS and of course to access the UI
A question about RN's Cloud services. Is the RN316 providing the Cloud access directly, or via NG's servers? I purchased the RN316 so I didn't have to rely on any external company's servers for storage, security, or access.
-As far as my understanding goes, it makes your NAS a cloud storage server. If your NAS is offline, your cloud is gone. - Thank you for the prompt reply!
Nhellie wrote: 1. Automatic (realtime?) backup/replicate of Windows laptop directory to RN
-You can back up windows on the NAS using its default backup job function:
http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detai ... ows-backup
I was thinking more of a drop a file into the directory, it gets updated immediately (mirrored directory). Sure, I could run a backup schedule using the mapped drive, but look for live, on demand mirroring. Would like to do this with a few different users using Home shares by user. I thought I read this capability in the RN pitch, but having trouble finding correct combination?
2. Any type of backup solution for Android devices (photos, files, notes, etc)
-ReadyCloud app for android should be able to do this, also check readydrop.
ReadyDrop- as far as I can see, this only works with online DropBox Cloud services? If this worked in a self-hosted, independent solution, this would be GREAT! When I followed the links for readydrop, every one showed logging into your DropBox account. Is there a way to do it only on the RN without online DropBox? Can I host my own DropBox-esq service?
http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detai ... 6-remotely - ReadyCloud
https://readydrop.netgear.com/login/ind ... F24A5CC5F8 - ReadyDrop
Also you might want to check this app:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... tils&hl=en - NAS Utils for ReadyNAS
Yep, got it, like it ;) iStat is one of the first things I enabled, though I can only use it internally at the moment. Can't tell if it is a factor of my wireless bridging or my cell service. Verizon hates me. Half the time their data network doesn't work at all here on the fringe of 4G. 3G switches to 4G, not stable, back to 3G, falls back to 1X, up to 3G...LOL. HTC One M8.
3. Cloud storage and availability from laptop/Android/Linux variants/adhoc (from any machine by supplying proper login)
-There is a ReadyCloud Client app for windows
Yep, this is one of the links that simply takes you to NG's REadyCloud page with "Discover". Nothing to download? I've been thrown onto this page a dozen times, very frustrating.
https://readycloud.netgear.com/client/index.html
Thanks again. If you can help with my follow up questions, I'd sure appreciate it! - 1. I think this is the ReadySync feature included on the ReadyCloud, once you install readycloud client app there should be an option to do an automatic backup-like sync.
In addition to this, you might also want to check Egnyte Storage Sync for readynas.
https://www.egnyte.com/storage-and-sync ... y-nas.html - not free though
http://www.egnyte.com/netgear/
2. ReadyDrop works like dropbox but does not use dropbox.
http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detai ... -system%3F
3. Yes, you will have to enable readycloud first to download. You will have to create an account to get the apps/client software.
Or dowdload them here:
http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/20684/ Nhellie wrote: 1. I think this is the ReadySync feature included on the ReadyCloud, once you install readycloud client app there should be an option to do an automatic backup-like sync.
In addition to this, you might also want to check Egnyte Storage Sync for readynas.
https://www.egnyte.com/storage-and-sync ... y-nas.html - not free though
http://www.egnyte.com/netgear/
2. ReadyDrop works like dropbox but does not use dropbox.
http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detai ... -system%3F
3. Yes, you will have to enable readycloud first to download. You will have to create an account to get the apps/client software.
Or dowdload them here:
http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/20684/
This is quite helpful, thanks!
I didn't realize ReadyDrop was separate from DropBox, that is good news.
I looked at Egnyte, but they want a monthly fee for me to host my own data. That's not for me.
Ahhh! No downloads until you create users and setup ReadyCloud. I specifically skipped that step so not to open access without a full configuration. I figured the ReadyCloud was to access through NG's Frontview/Web-enabled software.
The last download is an "app" that simply opens the web-based ReadyCloud when you run it. It feels like it used to be a standalone app, but now only redirects to the readycloud.netgear.com site. If it is checking for a RC account first before installing, it sure would be nice to get a message or something instead of looping back to that page.
One more thing. I do have my admin setup with ReadyCloud, can access shares and manage from the readycloud.netgear.com site. That isn't enough to download the client?
Perhaps I am not recognizing the client software? To me anything that simply logs into an online website isn't an app, I am expecting more. Any way you can post or point to a screenshot of the Windows Client installed and running? It has to be different than what is shown at the NG address, right?
Thank you very much for your patience and help!- After you sign in at https://readycloud.netgear.com you will see a "get the readynas app for backup and sync" at the lower left. If you are using your win7 system and click on that, it will download the readycloud softwware for windows.
After you install that, there will be a readycloud icon in your system tray, and it will also be in "all programs" in the Netgear ReadyNAS folder. - Okay, that was an adventure ;)
Apparently I already had a ReadyCloud account setup, but wasn't choosing that 'Get ready for sync/backup' option- which downloaded and installed client software quite directly! Not sure why any of the other links didn't...
I tried adding a Cloud account, but it must be only for the main admin account registering the NAS. It wouldn't let me use the same email account and then couldn't Discover any NAS.
I logged back into my main account and browsed the NAS for a directory I created and loaded from my Z: share in windows a couple of days ago, figuring it would be a good sync test.
I clicked it and chose to sync directory with PC. So far so good. I'll just choose my PC directory to sync it too and life will be grand...WTF??? No, no choice on directory on the PC. Instead it simply CREATES A NEW DIRECTORY IN WHATEVER THE HECK DIRECTORY IT FEELS LIKE AND COPIES ALL THE FILES TO MY PC!
Real nice :(
Fortunately, it only contained about 50 pictures. Glad I didn't try to sync my 'real' data.
Ok, I see the C:\Users\{usernameObscured}\ReadyCLOUD that was newly created. It must be a 'Live' sync directory. I can just create a shortcut in this directory structure and it will sync to the same NAS location...NOPE! Does nothing.
Okay, perhaps I can choose my EXISTING DIRECTORIES on my PC for sync to NAS. I am not going to redesign my entire hard drive layout to suit the NAS sync whatever directory structure it creates....NOPE! No explorer extension to sync to NAS.
Okay, perhaps I need to relaunch the windows client software....NOPE! It just links back to the readycloud.netgear.com site. Ugh!
Tell me, am I completely misunderstanding how this thing works? I sure hope it doesn't ALWAYS REQUIRE me to go through NetGear's website portal for all my data!
How do I sync a PC directory to the NAS while preserving my PC directory structure?
If it is necessary to run it all through shares and 3rd party apps instead of NG software, WHY use a ReadyNAS?
I'm getting frustrated chasing this darn thing around the rabbit hole looking to use the advertised features. So far I see "RAID" as the only feature. Requiring access via an INTERNET WEB PAGE is nutz. Tell me I'm missing the "real" login and features, please!
Thanks! - Here's a happy note :?
Tried to contact support.
1. Tried chat. Give s/n. Sorry, we don't support that, medium level support is a phone call.
2. Tried calling. 'In order to get support, go online and open a case number, then call back'
3. And...now it is after 5pm. Support site says support is only 9am-5pm local time, so out of luck.
Really? :evil:
Don't think I was meant to have a ReadyNAS ;) NetworkedinPA wrote:
I clicked it and chose to sync directory with PC. So far so good. I'll just choose my PC directory to sync it too and life will be grand...WTF??? No, no choice on directory on the PC. Instead it simply CREATES A NEW DIRECTORY IN WHATEVER THE HECK DIRECTORY IT FEELS LIKE AND COPIES ALL THE FILES TO MY PC!
Real nice :(
Thanks!
We had a discussion about this, check this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=78678
As per the support, I believe it is 24/7 or maybe in the US only?Nhellie wrote:
As per the support, I believe it is 24/7 or maybe in the US only?
Ahh..right you are! :D The limited support hours notice has an asterisk before it. I took it as a footnote. Upon closer look, the grayed out other countries than US also have an asterisk in front of them :oops:
Thanks for the link to the other discussion. It appears that there really isn't any way to sync YOUR OWN FILES in the LOCATION YOU WANT, just whatever and wherever NG feels like putting them. Is that the gist of the discussion?
If so, that is really...Lame, useless, amateurish, (pick your adjective)...software.
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